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Anyone tried fire since 3.3.3?  (Read 1425 times)
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Title says it all, really.

I'm getting all kinds of conflicting reports about it from random people. (It sucks, it's awesome, it's even with arcane, etc) so I figured I'd find out if any SubC'ers have given it a shot yet. I'm curious to get some real input before I go and change all my gear around - because it's a pretty huge difference going from Arcane gearing to Fire gearing, that's for sure. =O



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  Because after all, Bov, what you want to do is re-gear after gearing half way to Arcane.....


« Last Edit: April 05, 2010, 08:52:53 PM by SageoftheTimes »

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Hey, you know me. I'm a competitive bastard. Wink

I'm still a little disappointed in my DPS thus far, but I guess I do have a long way to go on my gear. 2pc T10 soon!!

That said, I did beat almost everyone in the ICC 10 last night. Even beat the DK with Bryntroll and 264 gear on at least one fight. But still, I expected a lot more than 7k DPS...guess I can't expect too much in 10-man.



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I haven't.  I'm way too lazy.



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I have been really tempted also.
but yea, boils down to laziness also.


   

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I switched my second spec to Fire last night, for our Lich King attempts in ICC 25 normal.
Single target damage is lower than what I did with arcane, but as expected, Fire shines as soon as multiple targets or movement phases are involved.
We kept wiping before or in the phase 2->3 transition, so I couldn't test how much boost fire gives afterwards, but I have high expectatons (due to Vile Spirits bombing and the Lich King going below 35% where Burnout kicks in with +12% damage).

According to Kamigami Tools, Fire is up to par with Arcane in Heroic ICC, seems like Fire scales a little better with gear than Arcane does, therefore I think I'll keep raiding with Fire for the time beeing.

For those trying to switch from Arcane to Fire, I wrote a quick start guide:
-> Quick and Dirty Fire Guide



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I might still just..you know...go ahead and make a hunter...



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  Cow, you know that you'll just end up playing your Drood anyways, right?

  General skinny about fire I've heard:  People get bored of Arcane, so it's a decent change-up, you might do more damage  if you're better geared, but it's more fun.  So if you're on the fence, try it out.  Or you could just be a pros and spec Hunter.



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I haven't even been on WoW in like a week to begin with. Binnie and I both got a bad case of the flu or whatever and just haven't felt like it. =/



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  Cow, clearly, this is a time when you just need go out, find a soul-of-the-damned, and use it to fuel your body.  Sage gets on alright with that arrangement.  Also, totally guessed Binnie was sick.



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For the first time since respeccing, I ran ICC10 with fire, in a not-so-optimal group, and promply ran into mana problems (went OOM on Prof. Putricide just as phase 3 started, with Evocation and Gems on a >1min cooldown, and ... HAD TO WAND OMG).

Fire is a mana hog compared to Arcane, especially in single-target encounters. On the Lich King fight, I get tons of mana back from Living Bomb due to Master of Elements, but on fights lacking that collateral crits, you risk running out of mana without the proper support. And the bad thing is: there's hardly anything you can do about, apart from using the Hot Streak procs less often and thus lowering your DPS. Once you're out of mana, all you can do is to wand to regenerate mana faster, or to Scorch and fish for Clearcasting procs.

With Arcane, I have a very mana friendly rotation, and Evocation on a 2-min cooldown, and even if that wouldn't suffice, I can switch to a DPM-rotation anytime which lets me cast pretty much endlessly.



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Yeah, screw it. Who needs fire. Sage and I have the Hunter Mafia now.



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  To cut this thread down to like two sentences:  Fire is different, but Arcane's still got better options.  Also, hunters are better.



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easier



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Tell that to Bov and my explorations in low-level BGs.  The top person is always a hunter.  Although I will agree that mages are similar to the nerdy chick in junior high who suddenly got hot in high school.



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